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How Far Can You Go? pdf How Far Can You Go?, ebook How Far Can You Go?, epub How Far Can You Go?, doc How Far Can You Go?, e-pub How Far Can You Go?, How Far Can You Go? 80f20ed42c9 David Lodge Looks At The Effect Of The Permissive Society On The Wider Catholic Church During The 50s, 60s And 70s The Novel Centres On The Lives Of Polly, Dennis, Adrian And Angela As They Comically Come To Terms With Changing S And Their Beliefs.


10 thoughts on “How Far Can You Go?

  1. says:

    This 1980 novel by Lodge whom you may have noticed I ve been reading a lot of and enjoying this year follows a group of young English Catholics over a period of about 20 years, enabling us to see the ways their religion affects their lives and their lives affect their religion , particularly in the shadow of Vatican II I m not Catholic, so partly this book was entertaining from an anthropological standpoint Lodge, on the other hand, is Catholic, so you know that he s drawing at least somewhat from his own experiences as a bit of authorial insertion he employs makes clear This device doesn t work for me as well as some of the other creative twists on the standard novel Lodge has pulled in other works even when done well, authorial insertion makes me a little uncomfortable I m looking at you, Douglas Coupland and Stephen King But that s not the bulk of what this novel is, which is both funny and sad, with Lodge s typical skill at capturing human motivations and, well, patheticness, in a wry, intelligent way Reading it, I thought this novel came from much earlier in Lodge s career than it in fact does it was actually written after Changing Places It feels a bit rougher to me than some of the others, and explores in less detail subjects he tackles elsewhere, like in Paradise News Still, it was highly readable and hard to put down I m very much enjoying having a different Lodge novel to read every few weeks, and will be sad when I run out.


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    A l citi pe Lodge nu e niciodat at t de simplu pe c t pare la prima vedere Ironia i verva povestirii te pot impiedica uneori s treci de primele niveluri de lectur i te pot face s ui i, mult mai u or dec t n cazul altor scriitori dubla i de critici literari, c autorul tie s m nuiasc toate uneltele narative, c un artificiu literar nu e niciodat folosit empiric sau inocent, c exist ni te sfori care manevreaz personajele i un subtil deus ex machina care mpinge inexorabil ac iunea spre un deznod m nt.Numai c de data aceasta Marele P pu ar s a hot r t s se deconspire, s ias la lumina reflectoarelor conform bunului obicei postmodernist, transform ndu se n narator personaj romancier critic literar, ntr o polemic indulgent cu sine i cu cititorul, care are ca rezultat o ludic reinterpretare a metaromanului ca gen.Prin urmare, descoperim n C t s ntindem coarda cel pu in trei planuri compozi ionale unul, s i spunem documentar , oferind o gr mad de informa ii interesante despre ncerc rile de modernizare ale Bisericii catolice de a lungul a vreo 23 de ani din 1952, c nd ncepe ac iunea, p n n 1975, c nd se ncheie mai mult sau mai pu in , unul fic ional, urm rind destinul unor personaje n rela ie cu aceea i Biseric catolic i unul autoreferen ial, n care naratorul ne dezv luie sau se preface c ne dezv luie tehnici narative i sau de interpretare, se reinventeaz ca personaj etc.Ca n orice roman realist care se respect i realismul este numai una dintre iluziile pe care Lodge le ntre ine cu acea aparent seriozitate care este una dintre m rcile lui stilistice planul documentar este mascat subtil de cel fic ional, n contextul n care personajele s nt variante ale credinciosului catolic din a doua jum tate a secolului al XX lea preotul Austin Brierley , c lug ri a Ruth , cucernica Angela , convertitul homosexual reprimat Miles , libertina Polly etc i prin urmare mai greu de inut minte individual i mai u or de asimilat ca personaj colectiv.Principala problem pe care eroii trebuie s o rezolve este mp carea nv mintelor biserice ti cu descoperirea propriei sexualit i Dac la nceput concep ia lor despre lume este ferm n naivitatea ei omul se afl ntre Rai i Iad i doar credin a i obedien a l pot salva , pe m sur ce cap t experien a c s toriei, i pierd virginitatea i fac copii cam n aceast ordine , preceptele religioase tind s piard din importan , p n c nd ntr un anumit moment din anii 60, iadul a disp rut Cum s ar zice, pe m sur ce cap t con tiinta de sine, eroii renun la gesturile dogmatice participarea la toate slujbele , se revolt mpotriva unor decizii d e enciclica papei care interzicea contracep ia i le ncalc ncep s foloseasc anticoncep ionale , i caut forme proprii de exprimare spiritual devin membri ai unei biserici experimentale Catolicii pentru o biseric deschis , sau chiar renun la biseric p rintele Austin Brierley se c s tore te, Ruth pleac n pelerinaj i are o epifanie in Disneyland etc Toate acestea se petrec treptat, personajele av nd parte de experien e adesea comice, de a lungul c rora teme serioase ca prima iubire, boala, c s toria, religia i moartea s nt demitizate cu umor i adesea cu tandre e.Oric t de interesant i spumos amuzant ar fi aceast analiz a sufletului catolic ea este doar un pretext pentru realizarea celui de al treilea plan, insinuat treptat n nara iune La nceput, e doar o sugestie romanul ncepe ntr un glorios stil balzacian, cu acea grij pentru detalii arhitecturale i temporale n scopul ancor rii ferme a ac iunii n spa iu i timp i cu celebrul artificiu compozi ional care adun personajele la un loc o slujb la biseric pentru a le prezenta pe toate odat Dar naratorul omniscient dispare repede, f c nd loc pentru o vreme unei voci pretins critice, care ine s ne atrag aten ia asupra semnifica iilor numelor si a detaliilor vestimentare, uneori n cel mai absurd stil col resc d e Adrian, cel cu ochelari vederi limitate , mbr cat cu palton de gabardin cu cordon reprimare a instinctelor, hot r re i spirit autoritar Naratorul se identific mai ncolo cu romancierul nsu i, atunci c nd evoc scrisoarea unui cititor ceh care la apari ia romanului Muzeul britanic s a d r mat motivul cit rii c r ii n carte, desigur , l numise o carte extrem de sur z toare , ce scopul de a oferi o cheie de lectur cititorului Cartea de fa nu este chiar un roman comic, dar am ncercat s o fac s sur d c t am putut de mult n alt parte, acela i cameleonic narator, pentru a justifica de ce a expediat ntr o singur fraz rela ia sexual o dat sau de dou ori pe s pt m n dintre Dennis i Angela, citeaz clasificarea evenimentelor narate f cut de un critic francez, care afirmase c romancierul poate a povesti o dat ce se petrece o dat b povesti de n ori ce se petrece o dat c povesti de n ori ce se petrece de n ori d povesti o dat ce se petrece de n ori n ultimul capitol naratorul intr de a binelea n roman, devenind o voce nregistrat pe band dintr un scenariu transcris de Michael dup emisiunea filmat de so ul lui Polly Este vocea care anuleaz grani a dintre text i metatext, voce pe care celelalte personaje o ascult f r s o poat identifica vorbind despre asem narea dintre rela ia lor cu religia i rela ia cititorului cu romanul Nu mai trebuie doar s credem, ci i s tim c credem, s ne tr im credin a i totu i s o privim din exterior, con tien i c ntr o alt epoc i ntr un alt moment istoric am fi crezut n ceva diferit f r a avea sentimentul c acest adev r ne anuleaz credin a Este la fel ca atunci c nd citim un roman sau dac tot vorbim de a a ceva atunci c nd scriem unul i ne men inem o con tiin dubl asupra personajelor care s nt, cum ar veni, at t reale c t i fic ionale, libere i condi ionate tiind c , oric t de captivante i conving toare ni s ar p rea ele, nu vrem s citim sau s scriem, n func ie de situa ie numai povestea, ci i o parte din acea serie nesf r it de pove ti cu ajutorul c rora omul a c utat i va c uta ntotdeauna s dea un sens vie ii Si mor ii n fine, n capitolul final naratorul se include firesc printre personajele al c ror destin prezent i viitor l deconspir n acela i stil realist care vrea s prelungeasc iluzia c via a lor, ca si a sa, va continua i dup ce romanul s a ncheiat Eu predau literatura englez la o universitate din c r mid ro ie, iar n timpul liber scriu ncet ncet romane i s nt n criz de timp Cuvintele de ncheiere s nt numai aparent o parodie a stilului naiv din cronicile de odinioar , c ci acel R mas bun, cititorule este n definitiv o ultim ie ire la ramp a celui mai complex personaj din oper naratorul proteic.


  3. says:

    Great book offering an incredible funny insight into the Catholic religion and the way it changed in the past century I m curious how a Catholic reader would find it funny offensive true but for a non Catholic one it is definitely an interesting read and a learning experience.


  4. says:

    lectur lejer ai ce nv a despre dogma romano catolic urm re te evolu ia pe mai multe decade a unui grup de prieteni ce la nceput sunt conservatori emancipare probleme n via a intim a cuplurilor c s torite c t po i ntinde coarda c nd vine vorba de problematici religioase i d un vag sentiment de parc ai urm ri un serial


  5. says:

    How Far Can You Go chronicles the progress of a circle of British Catholic university students in the 1950s and follows their lives almost exclusively their sex lives through the tumultuous 60s and 70s In explicit detail, Lodge describes their early forays into heavy petting and masturbation followed by their loss of virginity, all interwoven with their feelings of Catholic guilt, remorse, and their struggle to follow Church teaching on sexuality.Lodge compares this moral struggle to a game of Snakes and Ladders sin sent you plummeting down toward the Pit the sacraments, good deeds, acts of self mortification, enabled you to climb back towards the light Everything you did or thought was subject to spiritual accounting On the whole, a safe rule of thumb was that anything you positively disliked doing was probably Good, and anything you liked doing enormously was probably Bad, or potentially bad an occasion of sin Salvation and damnation are depicted as merely a game at which Catholics play.As the couples mature and marry, they change with the times, adopting relativistic views on everything from sexuality to liturgy Lodge mixes the liberalization of practices and doctrines, leading the reader to believe that the Church and its unchanging teaching on sexual morality is culpable for the drudgery of child rearing, mass laicization of priests, the characters sexual and familial dysfunction, their general screw ups and mishaps, as well as adultery, homosexuality, sexual inhibitions, mental illness, and even disabled children.Artificial contraception, specifically the birth control pill, becomes the lynch pin on which their personal ethics hinge As its acceptance grows, Lodge describes the parallel changes in society at large and within the Catholic Church following the Second Vatican Council and Pope Paul VI s encyclical Humana Vitae.The question, How far can you go becomes broader than groping genitals and illicit trysts, expanding to a loss of the sense of sin, the existence of Hell, and the acknowledgment of Truth and authority Clearly, Lodge believes there is a tipping point, though he leaves determination of its whereabouts to the reader But in matters of belief as of literary convention it is a nice question how far you can you go in this process without throwing out something vital The ultimate question, asked by one of the characters in the final pages, is Why be a Catholic at all Most depressing is that every character sees faith as merely a legalistic bargain with God, not a relationship with a loving Father Faith becomes, at its essence, merely a game Snakes and Ladders Even the unnamed bishop sees the hubbub over Humana Vitae as no than a political obstacle In the end, the couples have replaced one misery the rigors of self discipline for another the effects of sin.While frank discussion of Church teaching, struggles with chastity, Pharisaic legalism, and human sexuality are worthwhile and important, I found this treatment bleak and disheartening While others have hailed How Far Can You Go as a brilliant black comedy, I found the humorous elements and wry caricatures rooted in a cynicism that comes at the expense of Truth.Lodge s writing is crisp and engaging The narrative is interrupted at various points, however, as the author interjects a personal six page diatribe, expounding on his contempt for natural family planning, surmising that Humana Vitae itself is a dead letter to most of the laity and merely an embarrassing nuisance to most of the clergy How Far Can You Go is valuable only as a window into a bygone era, an era in which the pill was considered a panacea for long suffering, fertile Catholics An era, thankfully, supplanted by the papacy of St John Paul II, who asked the meaningful question, How do I love Read my full review at


  6. says:

    Loved the book Could not get enough of D Lodge s humorous, ironical and sometimes cynical approach of Catholicism, in particular, and religion or is it faith in general, viewed, reviewed, analyzed, scrutinized, criticized while dealing with the torments his characters are dealing with, trying to cope in a world of religious beliefs and practices which not only restrict, but sometimes crush the freedom and nature of human spirit as it develops itself, trying to move from the stages of curiosity and need to understand the changes one s body and spirit naturally undergoes while gradually moving from the cocoon to the butterfly stage the stage of understood, explored and assumed maturity by understanding and accepting one s being , as opposed to the changing world outside the conformity and strictness of the church or traditional home Lodge s prosaic style guards the reader from any potentially unwanted over sentimental approach of his character s bumpy voyage through the wild wood of experiences in the 1960s, when the clash between religious strictness, on the one hand, with the sense of guilt or punishments clad in different forms it gives rise to when one even dares to look through the window of life with different eyes than the ones they were taught when brought up, and the liberation from all sorts of prejudices, stigma, stereotypes and behaviors which the 60s fostered, on the other hand, could give rise to and make room for the feared but somehow inevitable in a well defined world of punishment personal drama.The book seems to be preaching against the idea of an immutable, absolute religious perspective on life this one or the afterlife this is what one of the characters tacitly accepts when musing on her being Catholic, saying that she might as well have been of different religion by birth , or even religious at all, especially if we look at how the line between what is acceptable and what is not in the Church s eyes can move depending on the social, etc events, movements The author s ludic style plays a major role in this respect The ending best sums this up nothing is carved in stone, the future is uncertain.


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    Lubi takie ksi ki niespodzianki Nic nie m wi o mi nazwisko autora, ok adka niewiele zdradza a, recenzji przed lektur zwykle nie czytam Przerzucaj c strona po stronie t niewielkich rozmiar w ksi k , otwiera em szerzej oczy ze zdumienia jak trafnie, prawdziwie i pi knie zarazem, z wyczuciem, ale i hum oraz ironi opisa mo na przemiany lat 60 tych i 70 tych ubieg ego wieku, gdzie z jednej strony nast pi a rewolucja seksualna, a z drugiej rewolucja ko cielna jednak nie w sprawach seksualnych Oto mamy grupk angielskich katolik w, kt rzy dorastaj c, niemal na ka dym kroku zadawa sobie musz wiele pyta , mi dzy innymi to, gdzie le y granica Tytu owe pytanie mo na by sformu owa inaczej jak sobie radzi w wiecie religijnych wierze i praktyk, kt re s nie tylko restrykcyjne, ale kt re praktycznie dusz w zarodku wolno cz owieka, t wolno zarazem opiewaj c i g osz c Sugestywne obrazy ognia piekielnego, obsesja czysto ci i grzechu zaszczepione m odym ludziom pami tajmy, e to czasy przedsoborowe w Ko ciele b d im towarzyszy przez ca e ich doros e ycie maj c przeogromny wp yw na ich wybory i decyzje lub ich brak Ci pos a cy mieszcza skiej moralno ci wt oczeni zostali w zamkniety kr g, kt ry trafnie wyra a jedna z bohaterek, bo do szcz cia brakuje jej zawsze wyrzut w sumienia, a gdy je wreszcie ma, czuje si nieszcz liwa z ich powodu Pr buj si z tego wyrwa , od tego uciec Trac dziewictwo nie bez wyrzut w sumienia i l ku przed piek em , wyobra aj sobie, jak to b dzie, kiedy obudz si pewnego ranka i przeczytaj w gazetach, e papie pozwoli w ko cu na stosowanie rodk w antykoncepcyjnych , pr buj sobie radzi z mi o ci i mierci w cieniu tych obsesji Ksi ka ko czy si wyborem Jana Paw a II na papie a i pytaniem co si stanie teraz Rachuby zawodz , przysz o wydaje si mglista i niepewna.My ju wiemy po wier wieczu pontyfikatu tego papie a konserwatysty, co si sta o Na tyle wiemy, e zanuci sobie mo emy stadionow przy piewk Nic si nie sta o, Polacy , nic si nie sta o.A raczej, nic si nie zmieni o


  8. says:

    Lubi takie ksi ki niespodzianki Nic nie m wi o mi nazwisko autora, ok adka niewiele zdradza a, recenzji przed lektur zwykle nie czytam Przerzucaj c strona po stronie t niewielkich rozmiar w ksi k , otwiera em szerzej oczy ze zdumienia jak trafnie, prawdziwie i pi knie zarazem, z wyczuciem, ale i hum oraz ironi opisa mo na przemiany lat 60 tych i 70 tych ubieg ego wieku, gdzie z jednej strony nast pi a rewolucja seksualna, a z drugiej rewolucja ko cielna jednak nie w sprawach seksualnych Oto mamy grupk angielskich katolik w, kt rzy dorastaj c, niemal na ka dym kroku zadawa sobie musz wiele pyta , mi dzy innymi to, gdzie le y granica Tytu owe pytanie mo na by sformu owa inaczej jak sobie radzi w wiecie religijnych wierze i praktyk, kt re s nie tylko restrykcyjne, ale kt re praktycznie dusz w zarodku wolno cz owieka, t wolno zarazem opiewaj c i g osz c Sugestywne obrazy ognia piekielnego, obsesja czysto ci i grzechu zaszczepione m odym ludziom pami tajmy, e to czasy przedsoborowe w Ko ciele b d im towarzyszy przez ca e ich doros e ycie maj c przeogromny wp yw na ich wybory i decyzje lub ich brak Ci pos a cy mieszcza skiej moralno ci wt oczeni zostali w zamkniety kr g, kt ry trafnie wyra a jedna z bohaterek, bo do szcz cia brakuje jej zawsze wyrzut w sumienia, a gdy je wreszcie ma, czuje si nieszcz liwa z ich powodu Pr buj si z tego wyrwa , od tego uciec Trac dziewictwo nie bez wyrzut w sumienia i l ku przed piek em , wyobra aj sobie, jak to b dzie, kiedy obudz si pewnego ranka i przeczytaj w gazetach, e papie pozwoli w ko cu na stosowanie rodk w antykoncepcyjnych , pr buj sobie radzi z mi o ci i mierci w cieniu tych obsesji Ksi ka ko czy si wyborem Jana Paw a II na papie a i pytaniem co si stanie teraz Rachuby zawodz , przysz o wydaje si mglista i niepewna.My ju wiemy po wier wieczu pontyfikatu tego papie a konserwatysty, co si sta o Na tyle wiemy, e zanuci sobie mo emy stadionow przy piewk Nic si nie sta o, Polacy , nic si nie sta o.A raczej, nic si nie zmieni o


  9. says:

    So they stood upon the shores of Faith and felt the old dogmas and certainties ebbing away rapidly under their feet and between their toes, sapping the foundations upon which they stood, a sensation both agreeably stimulating and slightly unnerving For we all like to believe, do we not, if only in stories People who find religious belief absurd are often upset if a novelist breaks the illusion of reality he has created Our friends had started life with too many beliefs the penalty of a Catholic upbringing They were weighed down with beliefs, useless answers to non questions To work their way back to the fundamental ones what can we know why is there anything at all why not nothing what may we hope why are we here what is it all about they had to dismantle all that apparatus of superfluous belief and discard it piece by piece But in matters of belief as of literary convention it is a nice question how far you can go in this process without throwing out something vital.


  10. says:

    Excellent portrayal of how Vatican II shook things up Human loves have always been out of order unless they are directed by God God is one of order The hope of this book is that every age will have its downfall temporarily But in the end, things will be brought upright again We have our moments of outrage and reform and then realize the downfall of how far we take it Something is usually birthed from it some good, some bad Therefore continuous revision That is why I am quite glad the Holy Spirit is the overseer of all things and the God of truth will fill all things and all worlds will be the way they ought to be.


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